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Post by «MªÞlεδtǻr» on Apr 21, 2007 18:24:32 GMT -8
Last Wednesday (the 18th), a scientist came to my church to discuss the concept of evolution versus the concept of creation. Her had many quotes, all of which were from evolutionists. #1. Ever seen the diagram for the evolution of the horse? Well it's incorrect. The small horse that begins the supposed evolution of the horse, is indeed a hyrax, meaning it is kind of like a rodent. Therefore it is not a horse and cannot be included in the evolution of the horse. Also, the next horse up, was found in Oregon with the hyrax (fossils), meaning they lived at the same time, and are two different species/animals. There are also no intermidiate forms leading to the transition between the fossil horses and the modern day horse, they are simply different species of horse and the other ones died off due to climate change and other environmental changes. #2. Scientists themselves have said that there are no intermidiate forms leading from fish to amphibian, or amphibian to reptile, or reptile to mammal, or reptile to bird. Therefore disproving evolution. #3. Some animals, they have no idea where they origionated from, they seem to have just appeared. You know why? Because God created them. I'm not saying that it'd a definite thing that God made the everything in 6 days, it says in the Bible that 2000 years to us is like one day to God (well maybe not 2000 years, but it's something to that effect. Our lives to God are like a quick flash basically). So it could be metaphoric. But I don't know, that's your decision to make. The scientist to spoke will be making a book out of what he came and talked about. I have not said everything and I don't even know if I have convinced you. But when the book comes out I highly reccommend that you get it and read it. It's incredibly eye opening. I'll keep an eye out for it because I can't find the site that the scientist gave us, and I can't remember his last name, lol. So I'll probably modify this post when I find it. EDIT :: Here's the site :: scienceforcreation.com/ |
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Post by Rowanclaw on Apr 21, 2007 18:30:16 GMT -8
Yeah, i posted something earlier today . . . it was like this :
Here is Cell Theory; you'll learn about it in BIO if you havent already:
The cell is the fundamental unit of structure and function in living things.
All organisms are made up of one or more cells.
All cells come from pre-existing cells through cellular division.
So anyway, if cells are made from other cells, how did the first cell come into existence? How was it created?
How is it "scientiffically" posiible for the first cell to be created out of thin air, so to speak. Well, i don't think it is.
MapleStar, do you know what the book will be titled?
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Post by «MªÞlεδtǻr» on Apr 21, 2007 20:20:16 GMT -8
No I don't know yet actually. I'll definitely let you know when I figure it out. He already has 2 DVDs out of a couple different things, still on evolution though. My dad's going tp be home soon and I'll get the website URL from him
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Post by Rowanclaw on Apr 21, 2007 20:28:03 GMT -8
OK!
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Post by silvergleam on Apr 21, 2007 21:45:32 GMT -8
hey i have to play the devils advocate but the first cell could THEOREDICALLY (very different that what proably took place) come from the comits bringing the water to the planets storing ammino acid and on impact turn into proteins which if there are several close by they could fuse and turn into the first cell when carbon is added. but the chances of this are like 1 to 10to the 50th power. more likely is a tornado going though a junkyard and configuring a perfect boing 747.
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Post by Rowanclaw on Apr 21, 2007 22:04:01 GMT -8
yes, but cells have deoxyribonucleic acid. The original proteins and acids translate into DNA with the use of codons, and the translation into DNA takes place inside a cell, with the required use of cell organelles as well.
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Post by firepaw on Apr 21, 2007 22:10:54 GMT -8
but DNA is not nessicary to funcion. only RNA is needed to funtcion. now i dont understand as well but i think that is it. im not sure about RNA needing the same thing but the above is true
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Post by «MªÞlεδtǻr» on Apr 21, 2007 22:50:00 GMT -8
Well DNA is in all living things, if it reproduces, it's got DNA. RNA is only one stranded and instead of Thymine is has Uracil, so I don't think that would work for genes. Plus you have to have DNA to make chromosomes. I'm sure Rowan would know more than I do about Biology though, I just learned some of this in the past month, lol. Anyway, here's the link to the website :: scienceforcreation.com/ |
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Post by Iceheart on Apr 22, 2007 4:29:13 GMT -8
Wow all you guys sound sooo smart.
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Post by «Fenfur» on Apr 22, 2007 5:01:45 GMT -8
Well I'm not really religious and whenever I get on this topic with myheavily Baptism-grandma I end up all confused, but can I pose a question?
If it's because God created the world in 6 days, where do dinosaurs fit in? Were they at the same time as Adam and Eve? Before?
Forgive me if I'm dumb, but that's been bothering me for ages.
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Post by firepaw on Apr 22, 2007 7:41:00 GMT -8
see we are interperting the bible in a sense. it said six days but that doesnt make it six days strict because someoen one told me a day to god is like a thousand years to us. we are using the interpitaion of the bible to say that it wasnt in days but it was in thousands of years.
and also RNA has been around longer than DNA and somethings dont need DNA to function. i have a sister who goes to medical school that told me this
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Post by «MªÞlεδtǻr» on Apr 22, 2007 9:48:17 GMT -8
Well as for the dinosaurs I was really confused about that too. And the scientist had briefly touched that subject but now I can't remember, lol. He has a DVD that explains it though.
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Post by lepardpelt on Apr 22, 2007 10:22:07 GMT -8
Even though I'm religious, I'm a scentist too. EOLUTION DID OCCUR. We have no HARD HITTING evidence yet but we have enough to know that things evolved from other organizms. And, if God "created" the world in six days, the question is. Where did God come from. I don't have ANY proof, butI belive he evolved like the rest of us did. Because, I know God didn't just pop out of no where right after the "Big Bang".
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Post by deathglaze on Apr 22, 2007 11:05:12 GMT -8
Things that function with RNA (EX: a virus) sometimes are not considered alive.
DNA is like a code for intructions on building more cells, and a code for making sure they will work properly. So without it, a cell wouldnot be able to reproduce itself properly. And then there would not be anymore viruses, because viruses need things like cells to reproduce. Viruses inflitrate the cell and use the cell reproduce in a couple ways. I find it actually interesting. . . but thats just me.
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Post by firestare on Apr 22, 2007 11:26:19 GMT -8
I hate how dumb i am. So wat is Rna?
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Post by Rowanclaw on Apr 22, 2007 12:08:43 GMT -8
RNA is a type of messenger ribonucleicacid between DNA and ribosomes, ( a cell organelle responsible for synthesizes protein) RNA is also partly responsible for making proteins out of amino acids
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Post by bluethunder on Apr 22, 2007 12:37:21 GMT -8
by the stars, there's alot of big words here.
I think we honestly came from the earth, like eventually all the organism combined and we were created, whenever i'm at lunch in the cafe, i have a HUGE argument with my friend. I think we came from evolution. No offense, but i don't nessicarily believe in god. I believe we came form evolution adn that the earth got so advnaced that the organisms made us.
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Post by firepaw on Apr 22, 2007 14:50:29 GMT -8
lol i love the fact that there is this unanswerable quality to all questions. like where did the ammio acids come from and where did the material responsible for the big bang theroy come from and then last but most importaint where did god come from?lol unanswerable.
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Post by Runningstream *DO NOT DELETE* on Apr 22, 2007 15:01:31 GMT -8
Ahh, um Leopard. Let me point something out. There is a name for God, which means he is self-existent. He doesn't need anything else to exist. He's been around forever, and will continue to be around. And as to the dinasaur thing Maple, if you remember will you tell me? I don't get that either.
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Post by black on Apr 22, 2007 15:01:49 GMT -8
Ok, I am just going to say something that sort of goes along with the first post. Ok the first creatures were fish. One evoled into a gaint scorpio(I guess you could say) that lived underwater then started to live on land. Then evoled into a reptiles. I learned this one tv. I am not saying I beleive all this but this is what I the tv said. That's all.
Ok, firepaw I also have wondered about that and you know we may never know but there might be an answer somewhere but I have a question of my own.
Scentists say there earth started as with all this like lava and with barley no air then how did plants all of sudden start to live and same with the first creatures?
Was it really god that started life on earth? I am still unsure even though I beleive in God. I am a christian but I am unsure about how life started.
I once came up with my own theory. That God did create life on earth but things changed and evoled but he created them. I am not saying that's true but you never know.
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