Evolution vs. Creation

[.::Vinegary Cougary::.]

You know, I do think to some extent that God created everything, but we as people made other animals into what they are. For instance, horses, dogs and cats. We created breeds for ourselves. We're still doing it.

[moonfrost]

I think your right about that Cougarheart because we did creates, like we created the Liger, or just new breeds. You have a point there.

[.::Sleetystorm::.]

Yeah, I mean, I do believe God created everything. But he didn't create the Laberdoodle or whatever it's called. We just made that like a year ago. And the Thoroughbred? We created that as amuesment and money making for ourselves.

[§ïlvêr.†åïl]

I agree Sleet that god created everything and then we did our on little twists to things also, but god ia ll knowing and he new that woud happen. He doest doubt our ablities at all.

[«MªÞlεδtǻr»]

Well, as for the whole thing about where God came from, I can answer that one. God has always been around always is around, and always will be around. But our minds can't fathom it. Like how the universe goes on and on and on and on, we just can't fathom it, the way we think is that everything has a beginning and an end, things like God and the universe can make us go insane trying to think of a beginning and an end.

The thing is that there are quotes from scientists for years and years, and they all say that there is no evidence for transition animals. It's hard for me to say it convincingly, you definitely should read the book, the amount of evidince this guy has to disprove the theory of evolution is amazing, and the evidence is from evolutionists themselves! and he expains numerous other things like the dinosaurs, ect.

[moongaze]

God hasnt been aroud forever. Te PLANETS werent around forever. How did God survive if he had no living surface.

((dont you DARE ay he lived on the sun!))

[Rowanclaw]

Well this is what MapleStar means. The mind can't allways understand that God has to survive off of/with something. God just is. ( If you know what I mean) We think in terms of life - because it is what surrounds us entirely. Everthing around us begins and ends. Plants, Planets, hours, seasons, even us. Its hard, if not impossible, to understand something not having a begining or an end, because we have never experienced it.

& Firepaw, I saw what you said earlier:
"i love the fact that there is this unanswerable quality to questions"
Well, couldn't agree more

[scarlet]

God is just there. You don't have to see it to beleive it, Moongaze.

Um, Maple I hav to say this. If Evelotion is proved wrong then. well I have in my sceince text book from school it shows the "evolution" of the camal and if those creatures didn't really change then how in the world do we explain the fossils?

I get so confused!

[[Fawn{STAR}]]

I read this book by this guy named Mark Cahill or something, called one heartbeat away, I think. It proved Christianity and disproved evolution. I'm a Christian, but I understand the theory of evolution.

I believe God created the Earth and everything. He always existed, and always will exist. He needs nothing to exist. It makes just as much sense as the big bang theory. What caused the big bang? God? Matter? Where did the matter come from? No matter what you believe, faith is required to support your belief.

Did you know that the bible is considered one of the most historically accurate records in history? However they discredit the religious ideas in it, only believing in the supposedly non-religious parts. I think that if they believe the bible was so accurate, and it was, then surely the other 'stuff' has some mettle to it.

Personally, I think the idea of evolution is kinda dumb. Not dumb, maybe, but I don't understand how people give so much scientific credit to it and none to religion. In several books published, it says gives so many quotes scientists believing in evolution say that disprove evolution. Like how one said that the lack of transition fossils is the weakness to the theory and disproves it, yet the scientist still believes in it.

I think it's funny how people argue that because all organisms use the same system for making proteins and the same material for bones and muscle, etc., that it's obvious we evolved from the same ancestor, those microscopic things. But what if God just found a way that worked best and used it for everything? If you have a system that works best, why go and find new ways to do it for other organisms?

Also, I love how it took a billion years for organisms to develop enough so that the first plants can live on land instead of the water, but only 60,000 for humans to evolve from animals.

That's just my opinion, and I have nothing against anyone who believes in evolution, I'm just stating my opinion.

Though I didn't read everyone's post, I did see what people said about breeding new species like thoroughbreds. I just thought I'd say that that's the difference between Natural and Human selection. Natural selection would be the way the survival of the fittest reproduce and pass on their genes, the best adapted ones, to their offspring, eliminating the weaker genes. Human selection is when we, humans, pick organisms for traits we want and breed them with other organisms with those traits to create a lot of new organisms with that trait. I believe in natural selection, because it doesn't produce new genes and traits, only modifying the ones existing. How can a bug with no wings suddenly develop wings. Yes, I know it's supposed to take millions of years for them to develop, but still. Again, just my opinion.

I'm gonna stop rambling, because I'm going on for forever, but I hope you guys didn't take the time to read all of this. I just thought I'd state my opinion and be done. Yeah, getting off my soapbox now. :/

[wolfwind]

i belive in evelution but i think god created things and he then let everything make there own decisions. so natural selection is true. but so is creation. if god made everything at the same time then the dinosaurs lived with us. then that would mean that all fossils are fake. but they are not. i think god made us and that he decided to not interfere with things and let them run there course, meaning god make things then let them choose there life.

[lepardpelt]

Fawny, thats because religious theorys cannot be proved. They are just things that people made up a long time ago to explain things that we can't understand. We have no real proof that God ever existed, but we still belive in him because he is an excuse to give answers to questions we could never answer.

[[Fawn{STAR}]]

Yes, but so is evolution. I mean, how can you prove that there was a big bang? How can you prove that there is no God? I basically just think that the argument (Not just here, but everywhere too) between evolution and creaton is never going end really. People are just too stuborn to give in to the other side completely. Not that we can't argue, because everyone wants to prove their point, including me. But both sides accuse others of false information and lack of proof, etc.

Though I did read in the newspapers and books that Lucy was disproved. I don't know if it's right, but apparently it was something like a human and a monkey skeleton that were just really close together, and they only found parts of them at first... just thought I'd add that to my list of things I said. It's irrelevant to my point now though.

[lepardpelt]

That's true, Fawny, that we don't have proof of a Big Bang. It's just another excuse for somehing we can't answer.

[Rowanclaw]

Lots of Religion is based on faith; and lots of science is based upon theorys. Not allways cold hard facts; but theorys. Maybe thats the way it was supposed to be.

[sepia]

Actually, scientific theory is supposed to be based loads of evidence, even though lots of evidence for evolution is supposedly disproven.
Everything requires some faith however. Despite and suspicions, there's no way scientists can prove that there was a 'big bang' that resulted in the creation of everything. Just like evolutionists say that there's no way we can prove there's a God. It's a moot point.

[wolfwind]

well at least we will find out when we die! and before then what have you got to lose if you belive in god! if its false then we dont lose anythign but if we are right then we gain erternal life! so you have nothing to lose if thats the only reason why

[lepardpelt]

THIS THREAD IS CRAP!!! {no offence to mapleh} BUT ALL THIS THREAD IS DOING IS CAUSING ARGUMENTS!!!

[bluethunder]

calm down leopard. its what this thread is about. arguing about who's rite and wrong. no need to yell.

techincally, there is some proof that the big bang occured. wait...which one u guys tlaking about. the one where to moon formed or the one where the universe formed?

[wolfwind]

this is debating as long as people know there is no offense to them this is a good thing! structered arguing gets it out of our system so we dont just yell and hurt people. and its fun! i personally love to debate and i may sound angry but im just into it.

[lepardpelt]

w/e...and i was talking bout the moon