Evolution vs. Creation

[[Fawn{STAR}]]

I'm talking about the one where the universe and everything was created.
I agree... not arguments. It just allows us to discuss. I'm not arguing, nor am I mad, but anyway...
What is the proof? I'm curious.

[lepardpelt]

fawn said:

What is the proof? I'm curious.

???my friend thinks its imossible for evolution...but its possible and its still happening....

thats the proof

[Silverstone the Secretive]

You can't really prove that it's still happening. Evolution is supposed to occur too slowly for us to observe in our lifetime.

When I was talking about proof, I wasn't refering to the proof of evolution; I was refering tot he proof blue was mentioning about the big bang or something. She called it proof, so I did too.

[bluethunder]

hehe i was tlaking about the moon one but i think i might be able to find some proof. scientists say teh universe is rapidly expanding, so it might not have been a BANG! but it might have been actually the size of a period once and that it took real long to expand into what we live into today.

[«MªÞlεδtǻr»]

moongaze said:

God hasnt been aroud forever. Te PLANETS werent around forever. How did God survive if he had no living surface.

((dont you DARE ay he lived on the sun!))

He doesn't need to live, he doesn't have to live on a surface or eat anything. Like I said before our minds can't fathom it (haha, I love that word, "fathom")

lepardpelt said:

Fawny, thats because religious theorys cannot be proved. They are just things that people made up a long time ago to explain things that we can't understand. We have no real proof that God ever existed, but we still belive in him because he is an excuse to give answers to questions we could never answer.

I'm curious what proof there is against religion?

Also I don't see any arguing here, it's debating O.O heehee, big difference between, fighting, arguing, and debating

[lionkit]

I have this theory that suits both religious and scientific concepts... here it is:

So, God didn't actually create humans and animals like that, people just interpret wrongly what the Bible says. God created the bacteria, and first life forms, then they evolved by themselves into the animals, plants that we know today, maybe with a little push from God.

[«MªÞlεδtǻr»]

It was interesting. On Air1(a more teen-oriented Christian radio station) the other morning, the hosts were talking and the guy said that really you have to have faith to believe in either because there's not enough evidence fore evolution, but there's not enough evidence for God and so it all boils down to your faith; faith in God, or faith in evolution.

[silvergleam]

wether you believe in evolution or not the more important thing it to believe in crist. if you can do that then the rest will come nautrually! just try your hardest to believe in jesus.

[rgsgdgsh]

silvergleam said:

hey i have to play the devils advocate but the first cell could THEOREDICALLY (very different that what proably took place) come from the comits bringing the water to the planets storing ammino acid and on impact turn into proteins which if there are several close by they could fuse and turn into the first cell when carbon is added. but the chances of this are like 1 to 10to the 50th power. more likely is a tornado going though a junkyard and configuring a perfect boing 747.

www.ebonmusings.org/evolution/tornado.html

[rgsgdgsh]

admin said:

It was interesting. On Air1(a more teen-oriented Christian radio station) the other morning, the hosts were talking and the guy said that really you have to have faith to believe in either because there's not enough evidence fore evolution, but there's not enough evidence for God and so it all boils down to your faith; faith in God, or faith in evolution.

1- Fossil records
2- DNA analysis
3- Studying modern species and their relation to each other
talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

[rgsgdgsh]

wolfwind said:

well at least we will find out when we die! and before then what have you got to lose if you belive in god! if its false then we dont lose anythign but if we are right then we gain erternal life! so you have nothing to lose if thats the only reason why

Don't you think God would know if that's the reason you're Christian?
Typical Pascal's Wager.
www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/arguments.html#pascal

[rgsgdgsh]

silver said:

You can't really prove that it's still happening. Evolution is supposed to occur too slowly for us to observe in our lifetime.

Nepalese people living in the Himalayas having larger lungs?
Or perhaps Darwin's Finches?

[radienpaw]

oh welll ... on the first page... someone said where did God come from. I know it sounds wierd but, our brains meaning (even the most smartest people's) brains, are not fully developed to understand how he came to be. I'm just going by what my motha said. And I'm pretty sure she is right. She's been trying to make me study these things. But people who believe in evelution that's your desition.

[hollypaw]

could be could be that is a possbility. and maybe were not supposed to know? who knows untill we know?

[shadowpaw]

rgsgdgsh said:

wolfwind said:

well at least we will find out when we die! and before then what have you got to lose if you belive in god! if its false then we dont lose anythign but if we are right then we gain erternal life! so you have nothing to lose if thats the only reason why

Don't you think God would know if that's the reason you're Christian?
Typical Pascal's Wager.
www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/arguments.html#pascal

[red]In addition, this hypothetical God may require more than simple belief; almost all Christians believe that the Christian God requires an element of trust and obedience from his followers. That destroys the assertion that if you believe but are wrong, you lose nothing.[/red] That is a part from the debate. I personally believe in God. I trust him and obey him, and if i do the opposite ask for forgiveness. But he ends up not being real, and atheism is real, then there is no punishing hell for me to forever burn in either.

Also, the Big Bang. If that's what happened, what created the matter for the Big Bang to happen? Something had to create the matter for that.

And I think a level of evolution did happen. Someone said before that 6 days to us is however many years to God. So that gave time for dinosaurs to rule the earth then for the people to evolve and rule the Earth.

[silvergleam]

www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/arguments.html#pascal

well they have some valid points but also they have some holes. like one is what if you believe in the wrong god? well beleiving in no god is just as bad! sorry just had to say that.

[shadowpaw]

A lot of religions believe in mostly the same God. It's just Budism and all the other religions that pray to idels. They believe rubbing a gold fat guys belly will give them good luck. And most religions that believe in idels, believe they have to cut themselves to get their gods attention. I'll wait until the next person posts to say something else.

[silvergleam]

no no no youve got buddism all wrong! they dont worship budda they look up to budda the first person to achive the state of nirvana or total peace with the world and oneself. its a common misconseption that they worship budda when they just admire him.

[shadowpaw]

ok sorry, my bad. But some religions that worship idels, do worship them. I learned this story. [blue]There was a man named Elijah. All the people in that city were believing in idels, but Elijah believd in God. So the people set a sacrifice. It had the main sacrifice and there were stones lain around it. The people said whoevers God could catch the sacrifice on fire is the real God. So the people were cutting themselves and hurtting themselves to get their gods attention, but it did not work. Then Elijah sat down and prayed and prayed. (Keep in mind not even the hottest fire on this earth can burn stone, I don't think) Then a flame descended from heaven. Not only did it burn the sacrifice, but it licked up the stones as well.[/blue]

I though that might show you what idel worshippers do.

[icepaw9]

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