Christian & Catholic vs. Homosexuality

[maypaw <3]

well. this is just my views on the point.
the thing is, i'm a catholic/christian and
everyone says that we're against homo-
sexuality. -snorts- yeah, of course we are.
-rolls eyes- the thing is, even if you say
and if you think and if it's in the bible, it
doesn't mean that we are. i have tons of
gay and bi and les friends, and you don't
dare say that catholics and christians have
something against homosexuality. 'cause
if you do then you're gonna go down. also
i can't stand that people think that our religion
is...strict, that every. single. dang. catholic.
and. christian. hates. homosexuality. it's not
right, and it's not fair to say that just because
that's our religion. i'm fine with gay people,
so those people who avoid the cats/chris
because of that, i have to say, you can
stop hidin' 'cause not all of the catholics
and christians hate homosexual people.

enough said. now flame me if you want.

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[flight]

It isn't that people think all Christians and Catholics hate against homosexuality. I know that isn't true, but there is a good number that does protest and hate against those of the homosexuality community.
I don't know what your point in this was; it is commonsense, really.

My point in this is that the only reason why people think that this is what the Christians and Catholics follow is because, in the past and present, those who announce themselves of the being God followers or whatever, have done all they can to shame homosexuality.
It is a sin. It is bad. They will go to Hell.
I, personally, have heard and been a victim of it.

I understand as well not all are like this, but the point remains.
Most. A big number. Whatever.
SOME Catholics and Christian's ARE against same sex relationships and marriages.

I'm glad you aren't, but you alone can't change your religion and the people who follow.

[fallenhope]

I HATE IT TOO! Everyone assumes that I'm a freakin homophobe! Ugghh. Besides, the bible was a big deal, whether if yu were Christian or not, it was. It's a huge book and was created like 2,000 years ago. That's a big deal, no matter what is in it. You realize that there were tons of homophobes back then? It just seeped into it. So did sexism against women. The book wasn't written by Jesus, and some people can't deal with the fact that one tiny part of the bible isn't true. Some of the best minds in the world used to think that the world was flat. That was wrong, but that doesn't mean they are stupid. It was just the general thought of the time. Am I making any sense?

Anyway, I'm going to grab my bible and check out it. I looked it up on the internet, and get this, there are only 2. And both are in the old testiment, BEFORE Jesus Christ and Christianity was born. Jews use the Old Testiment and split it up into 5 sections, if I remember correctly. Okay, so in one they are talking about incenst and how it's bad, etc., etc. And then they say this "You shall not lie with a man as with a women that is an abomination." Okay, yeah.... o-o people are so focused on those 15 words out of the 1,477 PAGES in the bible? This isn't even in the 10 Commandments. Should we take it apon ourselves to add a 11th "thou shall not be homosexual"? Besides, I think sexuality is all in genetics.

The next selection it says "I greive for you my brother, Johnathan. How dear you were to me! How wonderful was your love for me, Better even than love of women." Aghh!! I read the parts before and after, and none of it mentions anything about the being bf/bf. I think its brotherly love. Even if they were gay, Johnathan and Saul aren't being speaking bad about them??? So IDK, I don't see how that one is homophobic.

I don't know, but the way I see it is that you aren't supposed to have sex with a guy if you are a guy if you're just bored and want to experiment. But I have no clue???

All I know is that I'm NOT a homophobe. And I AM a Catholic-Christian.

Kudos to you if you read this all! ^_^

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Some people follow the bible word for word.
Great that you don't, but there are some who are stupid enough to.
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[fallenhope]

Like my effin math teacher.


Who ,btw, can't teach for her life.

[Petal]

I know people like that!
D<

I say we lock them up together and starve them. >>; <<; >>;

[fallenhope]

....haha! I'd enjoy that, but... there are law XD

[Petal]

S-screw the laws?
O3O;

[|:{Rainita}:|]

I checked in meh nifty bible index and found 8 different references stating that homosexuality is bad (old and new testament). They include the words abominations, defile, and Sodom and Gomorrha. So, if you are a bible-reading/church-going person, supposedly, you are to the belief that homosexuality is indeed a sin. Therefore, Christian people do have sort of a bias with which to become homophobic. However, I personally remember the important commandment throughout the scriptures. "Love thy neighbor as thyself." So, I think you should hate the sin but love the sinner. So, even though I think it is wrong, that doesn't mean I'm homophobic. They've got their agency and they are free to do as they like with it. I've nothing against them.

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[fallenhope]

I think being an anti-gay Christian is downright hypocritical. I just want to say "Shut up and figure out what the IMPORTANT part of the bible" and as for it being an abdomation, a couple paragraphs earlier they said eating shrimp and cutting your hair was an abdomation. I just googled it rainy, and I could only find 2.

Mmmmh.

Apperently in the story of Adam and Eve when Eve took the fruit of the forbidden tree her hair turned red. Does that mean Christians will eat me cuz my hair is red?

pfft.

In the future, for anyone who is not Christian, don't judge the fact if they are anti-gay or not because of it. there are PLENTY who aren't. Some are. But. >.<

Times change? Roll with it, dudes.

[|:{Rainita}:|]

My topical guide says 8. And topical guide totally trumps internet. The first one doesn't make very much sense so I'm leaving it out, but here are the other seven. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no...nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe be unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves. Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. 1 Timothy 1:10 ...for them that defile themselves with mankind...and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

And I've never heard of Eve's hair turning red, and I checked in Genesis and it says no such thing. And some things change over time [the shrimp eating and whatnot and I've got plenty of examples if you'd like to argue with me], but given the redundance of the sin of homosexuality, I'd say that is firm and unmoving in doctrine. And the bible has got a lot of funky stuff in it, but it is all important. Some of it is no longer pertinent to our day and age, but it was when it was written, and a lot of it is still important now.

However, I do think that saying that all Christians are homophobic is stereotypical, but there are stereotypes every and that's the way it is.

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[shimmeringwaves]

If I may say something.....
One of my closest friend is a homophobe and a christian, when i talk to her about me being bi she clams up and say.
"I just don't like the idea of you liking the same gender"
She doesn't have to like it, she needs to get over it.

[fallenhope]

Give her a little credit. It's inevitable that that kind of conversation would be awkward. She is still your close friend, as you say, so it can't be bothering her all that much. It sounds like she is a little homophobic in the way that most people are, religion not coming into account. It's something that they aren't yet adjusted to, and she just has to get used to it at her own pace.

^^ hope that helped.

[shimmeringwaves]

Yeah, it's just annoying because I wish it was so weord around her...

[hxxc]

hmm.
homophobes =gross.
all i have tosay.
mh. o.o;
i myself dont have a problem with gay people because..half of my friends are like that. (:
and thought ide addthis in here.
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-love Radient an Lily (:

[song]

I agree entirely with Rainstorm. As a Christian, God basically says that the Bible is a map for us. It is something we can always refer to if we need direction or guidance. He wrote the Bible through man, but they are his words. Not believing the parts of the Bible or saying that we shouldn't be against homos is going against God. If we are really believers in Christ, we won't say, "I believe this part of the Bible, but not that. But I am still a Christian." He says that he created man to like woman and woman to like man, therefore, I believe that homosexuality is wrong. That doesn't mean that I hate people who are gays or lesbians. I simply believe who they are choosing to be with is wrong, but I still care for them, and won't abandon a friend if they come out to be gay. You can think that what someone does is wrong, and that doesn't always mean that you are a homophobe or that you hate them. This matter shouldn't be looked upon as, " I either hate them, or I like them." Or "Christians hate them. Christians are awful" Also, following the Bible means you follow everything in it, or you aren't really following it. It is OK to have doubts because we are humans, but it isn't stupid like one of you said before, to believe everything the Bible says. That is right. God says that it is what he wants.Saying that you are a Christian and then not criticizing parts of the bible seems stupid and hypocritical. I am sorry if I offended anyone, I just get defensive over my religion.

[fallenhope]

Honey, nobody can decide their sexual orientation. That's the problem with this anti-gay-lesbo-bi thing. Sins are stupid decisions, but this is something you can't decide. It's just who you are.

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I know. Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like love is a choice.
You love who you love. I just don't agree with a girl loving a girl or a boy loving a boy.

[hxxc]

dude! exactly song. like....you can't just say your a christian and then just follow some of the rules of the bible. I mean, no one is perfect in anyway, and I have nothing against gays or lesbians, but I do find it wrong. But anywho, Love thine neighbor as thy self. So im going to love them anyway they are. And i know alot of peple who are against them, which i find very...unbecoming. I don't think I used that in the correct term but meh. I get what your saying Song XD(:

[«MªÞlεδtǻr»]

Actually in church today we talked about this a little. God did not design people to be homosexual and that's essentially why it's a sin. Just like he didn't design us to lie and be envious and cheat, etc. He designed man and women to be in the image of Him and fit perfectly together. There are consequences to sin. Such as being glutenous which leads to being overweight and multiple health problems that can be life-threatening. New medical research says that homosexuals have certain chemicals that are released in their brains that aren't released in others and a homosexual's life expectancy is 20-30 years less than that of the average lifespan of a heterosexual. Is this coincidence or is it a consequence to the decision of that sin?